Pedestals, Amy Grant, and Bill Hybels

A host recalls being crushed as a young Christian music fan when Amy Grant had an affair, learning not to put faith in the person instead of Christ. The conversation turns to Bill Hybels: one host admits anger — not just at the sin but because it hands ammunition to critics — then reframes it as 'not my gains,' arguing the church overwhelms scandals the way it should overwhelm welfare: by showing up with so much love that nobody needs the alternative.