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June 8, 2026 · 34:00 · 14 min

How to be a good friend to your pastor, rules one and two

A host reads an article on four pitfalls to avoid as a pastor's friend. Rule one: don't expect your pastor to be perfect — gifted communicators attract a reverence that projects spiritual perfection they never claimed; the New Testament standard is high, not impossible. Rule two: give him permission to not be on — ministry has no off switch, and the hosts trade stories of being pulled into pastoral moments in grocery stores and at the gym.

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